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Сколько стоит блог построить
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http://blog.transparecy.am
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http://www.transparency.am/project.php?id=133
Blogging
Field(s): Elections, Anti-Corruption
Implementation period: 15.02.2007 - 15.06.2007
Budget: AMD 4,840,404.00
Donor(s): USAID Civic Advocacy Support Program, Counterpart International-Armenia
Description: The goal of the project is to promote transparency of 2007 parliamentary elections in view of the pre-election period and the election day itself . The section established on the CRD /TI Armenia website - Election Monitor 2007- targets towards an audience both inside and outside of Armenia, contains photo reportage, articles, interviews, news about associated CRD/TI Armenia work and media monitoring findings related to the elections.
Outcomes: Provision of an alternative source of information and an open forum for free speech and public discussions.
Beneficiary(ies): Citizens, NGOs, political parties, youth groups, media
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http://www.echannel.am
УПД. Предполагается, что этот сервис будет предоставлять хостинг блоггерам.
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http://www.osi.am/grant_list.asp?year=2006&page_num=6
Date of Grant Letter:
12/27/2006
Program:
Media
Grant Number:
15368
Organization:
Internews
Contact:
Nune  Sargsyan
Grant Amount:
25000  USD
Purpose:
For filling the gap of lack of objective and unbiased information in Armenia via opening an open/alternative information resource. The site will serve as a virtual information/news resource, which would give free access to all election-related information. It will strive to gradually become a full-fledged mass media means and will translate into an online publication aimed at providing the reader with objective information and thorough analysis of the situation. It will also aim at involving the civil society and giving it not only an opportunity to access balanced coverage and analysis of events, but also to participate in discussions and express their opinions. The categories of the site will include news, media digest, regions, interviews, legislation, sociological surveys, monitoring, elections calendar, information about political parties and candidates, as well as an interactive part – blogs and forums, students, on-line voting, TV and radio, photo and video materials, links. This project is co-financed by UNDP for the amount of $24.000. The first transfer will be made by UNDP in the amount of $24.000 by the end of December, 2006. OSI AFA will transfer $25,000 upon receiving the narrative and financial reports from the implementing organization
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mkdotam From: [info]mkdotam Date: March 28th, 2007 08:38 am (UTC) (Link)
Очень интересно (: Циферки, конечно интересные, слов нет. А кстати меня вот тут заинтересовало, а сколько стоит panarmenian.net? Не подскажешь где найти на сайте бюджет?
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 08:58 am (UTC) (Link)
Пан, не делается на деньги спонсоров.
Но интерес могу удовлетворить.
Гталк - ruben.muradyan

mkdotam From: [info]mkdotam Date: March 28th, 2007 09:04 am (UTC) (Link)
Я понимаю, что Пан не делается на деньги спонсоров. Mне просто интересно ваш готовой бюджет не сопоставим с бюджетом echannel.am? Я так прикидываю получается, что-то вроде 2000 у.е. в месяц... или я что-то не так понял? (:
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 09:10 am (UTC) (Link)
JFYI - Бюджет ечаннел.ам 49.000 баксов.
Бюджет Пан-а - меньше.

Остальное - в гталк.
mkdotam From: [info]mkdotam Date: March 28th, 2007 09:16 am (UTC) (Link)
Ок, пасиба. Уже достаточно.
narjan From: [info]narjan Date: March 28th, 2007 08:53 am (UTC) (Link)
Что значит блог?
E-channel.am по твоим меркам блог?
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 08:54 am (UTC) (Link)
В грант дескрипшне - написано будет предоставлять разные сервисы в т.ч. и блоги.
kornelij From: [info]kornelij Date: March 28th, 2007 08:57 am (UTC) (Link)
предоплагается, что и-чанел будет давать хостинг блоггерам, сам портал блогом не является
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 08:59 am (UTC) (Link)
Ща поправлю.
angry_root From: [info]angry_root Date: March 28th, 2007 09:44 am (UTC) (Link)
There will be a blogging platform available on E-channel soon, the problem is I'm away from Armenia and haven't been able to set up the service yet. I plan to launch a Wordpress based free blog-hosting service on E-channel sometime on April 2nd - 5th. Some tests can be seen at http://www.echannel.am/blog/index.php - but it is PHPNuke which is not suitable for the blogging platform.

I don't know how much is allocated for the free blog hosting in the budget, but it is really insignificant (should be around 2-3% of the budget).

Thank you for discussing the issue!
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 10:04 am (UTC) (Link)
I'm actually far from discussing any kind of internal information.
Moreover - I humbly reckon that the management, and any other issues (including internal financial management of those projects) are out of my business. :)
Actually I thaught about grant issues after seeing "How much is your blog" page, and did some digging.

As for PHPNuke selection I have to expect my deepest condolences to the technical staff of echannel.am.
PHPNuke is very buggy piece of software, and requires a lot of work on it.
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 10:08 am (UTC) (Link)
thaught=thought
angry_root From: [info]angry_root Date: March 28th, 2007 10:13 am (UTC) (Link)
it is just horrible!!! i will delete it as soon as I land in Zvartnots and have my GPRS back! :)

perhaps multiuser Wordpres with customized Russian/Armenian menu will be more appropriate - what do you think?
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 10:27 am (UTC) (Link)
I always prefer to write such projects from a scratch.
It consumes a lot of time and money, but gives the best result.
angry_root From: [info]angry_root Date: March 28th, 2007 10:40 am (UTC) (Link)
Can we meet and talk about this when I'm come back to Armenia? (next week or later in April)
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 10:42 am (UTC) (Link)
Of course, yes.
I remember, that I owe Observer(I think its you) and Onnik coffee meeting....
angry_root From: [info]angry_root Date: March 28th, 2007 11:04 am (UTC) (Link)
Yes - i'm the Observer indeed! it will be a pleasure to meet, because Armen Arzumanyan has told me a lot of great things about you, and I really value his opinion! :)
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 11:28 am (UTC) (Link)
So, drop me a call, when you wil be back in Yerevan.
093413766
narjan From: [info]narjan Date: March 28th, 2007 09:17 am (UTC) (Link)
Гугл тоже предоставляет разные сервисы в том числе блоги. Это не делает гугл блогом.
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 09:20 am (UTC) (Link)
Сэр, я указал бюджеты проектов связанных с армянской блогосферой.
Заметь, что я привел все данные с сайта донора.
Я понимаю, о чем ты говоришь, более того сделал апдейт.
narjan From: [info]narjan Date: March 28th, 2007 09:24 am (UTC) (Link)
ок, заметил апдейт.
ahousekeeper From: [info]ahousekeeper Date: March 28th, 2007 09:02 am (UTC) (Link)
Кто бы сомневался :)
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 09:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Обрати внимание на таймлайн транспаренси.
Получается около 1.200.000 драм в месяц.
ahousekeeper From: [info]ahousekeeper Date: March 28th, 2007 09:17 am (UTC) (Link)
У меня уйма положительных эмоций от всей их этой возни, байц сраниц авел угиг етерум чем гри :)
angry_root From: [info]angry_root Date: March 28th, 2007 10:11 am (UTC) (Link)
The goal of E-channel is to establish an "open/alternative information resource" - and not blogging. Moreover, the focus is on the days of the election, so everything you see now is really just the preparation for the big days.

That information resource (E-channel) will ALSO have an interactive component = blogs, forums, online polls, ability to comment on various issues, but that is not a priority. We have decided that it will be useful to provide free blog hosting on the server, but we don't think it is important, as there are many good free blogging platforms available already, and it is unproductive to create useless competition. However, we have been experimenting with test platforms - right now there is PHPNuke, but I will replace that with Wordpress and provide full fledged blog hosting - however, this point is still open to discussion (http://www.echannel.am/blog/index.php).

The main focus of my attention (I'm responsible for the blogging component on E-channel) is to make the voice of the bloggers heard - and working intensively to pop up links to various Armenian blogs (like your blog) on Google, Technorati, Bloglines, Wikio, Blogflux, etc. I do so by registering blogs on those services, rating them, creating directories of Armenian blogs (like my failed project on Wikipedia :))

I also write blog reviews for the Global Voices Online (http://www.globalvoicesonline.com) to increase visibility of Armenian blogs worldwide. I have been working on it part-time since February, and I can already see some positive results, Armenian blogs are seen as one of the most active communities in the world (in comparison, nobody in the predominantly English language internet has ever heard of any Georgian or Azerbaijani blogs).

I am accountable to:
1/ bloggers - so I will be happy if you comment, criticize and also make suggestions of what should be done
2/ people who come to the internet and want to understand what real people think and feel about developments in Armenia - and I need to make sure that those people can find the most interesting blogs easily. Here again I appreciate comments, criticism and suggestions.

Note, that I am getting paid for promoting blogging in Armenia - but many of my initiatives (like the Armenian Blog Review - http://ditord.wordpress.com) are my voluntary contribution, which I DON'T NEED TO DO under these grant terms or according to my contract, I just think that it is useful, and if you think it is not or that it could be improved in any way - I would be very interested to hear your opinion.

PS: I am really sorry for using English for explaining myself, but my Russian is simply not good enough.
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 10:26 am (UTC) (Link)
Note, that I am getting paid for promoting blogging in Armenia - but many of my initiatives (like the Armenian Blog Review - http://ditord.wordpress.com) are my voluntary contribution, which I DON'T NEED TO DO under these grant terms or according to my contract, I just think that it is useful, and if you think it is not or that it could be improved in any way - I would be very interested to hear your opinion.


I really appreciate your work for armenian blog reviews, and, if I remember well, once expressed my gratefullness for it. It is really useful and interesting. Moreover, I've created syndicated feed for one of your initiatives, and it have 4 readers in livejournal.

The only thing, that I would recommend: throw away PHPNuke. It really sucks. IMHO it is always better to write CMS from a scratch, because any third party software makes you dependent in terms of security and feature addition.
angry_root From: [info]angry_root Date: March 28th, 2007 10:28 am (UTC) (Link)
I totally agree with you about PHPNuke... Hard to manage and insecure!
angry_root From: [info]angry_root Date: March 28th, 2007 10:30 am (UTC) (Link)
I've seen your post about my blog and have subscribed to the feed you created on my friends list. And really thank you for doing that! I didn't know it is possible to create syndicated feeds on LiveJournal - so that was really useful.
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 10:44 am (UTC) (Link)
This option (syndication) is accessible only for paid accounts - so if you need to create syndicated feed - just drop a line.
xelgen From: [info]xelgen Date: March 28th, 2007 03:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Сир, слишком мало инфы.
Если это цена минимального. тех. решения + мин иных затрат, то конечно Бугога :))
Если сюду входит аренда офиса, зарплаты 5-6 людям, ресурс центр, для тех кто хочет блоггить, но не имеет компа/инета, дедик сервер, написание серъезного портала с 0-я, всяеский ПР и промоутион по всей Армении и трейнинги/воркшопы с поездками и командировочными, етц.. то бюджет весьма скудный.
Вопрос в том что они указали в пропозале, и что делаеться на самом деле.
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 03:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Меня удивило то, что блоги делаются за деньги...
Ведь, например, блог Корнелия не менее информативен, чем Транспаренси. Однако он не пишет пропозалы....
В любом случае - это информация.
Заметь я не комментировал, кто, как, и на что тратит.
Я всего лишь привел 2 ссылки.
А дальше каждый понимает в меру испорченности.
:)
xelgen From: [info]xelgen Date: March 28th, 2007 03:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ну насколько я понял, бабки не для создания блога, а для создания блог-сервиса и продвижиния идеи блоггинга.
А блоггить за деньги, это уже что-то не то ИМХО..
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 03:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
Это в случае с ечаннел.
А транспаренси совершенно четко заявило - 4.840.000 - на блог.
Движок - вордпресс - халявный.
xelgen From: [info]xelgen Date: March 28th, 2007 05:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Ну вот увидишся с Оником спроси у него :)
Он вообще считает что блоггинг спасет Армению, и у каждого сознательно гражданина он должен быть. Короче не совсем понял его отношение к блоггингу. Однако насколько я понял в свое время, они тоже хотели создать блог-сервис.
kornelij From: [info]kornelij Date: March 28th, 2007 05:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
Онник уходит с блога Транспаренси
uzogh From: [info]uzogh Date: March 28th, 2007 05:18 pm (UTC) (Link)
Откуда инфа?
kornelij From: [info]kornelij Date: March 28th, 2007 05:22 pm (UTC) (Link)
он мне еще несколько дней назад гвороил, а вот теперь подтвердил - http://ditord.wordpress.com/2007/03/28/how-much-does-it-cost-to-build-a-blog/#comments
xelgen From: [info]xelgen Date: March 28th, 2007 11:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
Гмда..
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